German Luftwaffe uniform

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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Guges Mk3 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:38 am

The Broomhandle M1896 Pistol is available $188.00 shipped for that one.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Rekkon » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:09 pm

Are the P38s Maruzen? I was unaware of anyone else making a GBB version.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by GU3pzg » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:15 pm

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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Guges Mk3 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:13 pm

The P38 is a Maruzen.

So...who wants a gbb?
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Shady-Cadence » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:32 pm

The P-38 with 1 extra mag.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Chaser » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:17 pm

I'm sorry for my late arrival in this conversation, but ATF *USED* to be good. At the present time, the only thing I can recommend ATF for is their helmet shells.

Their German stuff has slipped so far since they went to the Chinese manufacturing that the cut is visibly wrong for the uniforms. I'm sorry its late, but hopefully I can maybe save SOMEONE the money from buying a crap product.

1944 Militaria has some good stuff, Lost Battalions is generally very good, and a place called Bill Bureaus Militaria has the best...but its also the most expensive as its made in Germany.

If someone wants more information regarding Luft uniforms, I was a reenactor of German paratroopers for 6 years before I gave it up just about 6 months ago upon my entrance into the Army Reserves.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Guges Mk3 » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:51 am

p38 and mag inbound via TNT right now...need anything else Shady?
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Chadwick » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:16 pm

I havent had any problems with my ATF M41 field jacket, Musset bag, or M1938 suspenders. maybe its just their german stuff.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by unionman » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:45 pm

Not to blatantly disagree with the gentlemen offering his wealth of experience, but I don't think that ATF German uniforms are as bad as he's claiming. While they aren't perfect they sure as heck are better than the days of converted Swedish jackets and using originals. With some tailoring an ATF jacket can be made into a perfectly acceptable coat and the price is hard to beat.

I love my LB M40, but fully understand that a lot of guys are not able to afford that kind of investment for a single item.
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Re: German Luftwaffe uniform

Post by Chaser » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:05 pm

I'm not saying it is worse than a swedish, but some of the last stuff I saw coming out of ATF looked more like the US in terms of uniforms. The skirt of the tunic was way too long, the sleeves were goofy, and a few people even had mentioned that the cut of the shoulders was off.

Also, the splittermüster pattern (Splinter B), is way too dark. I don't know what they have done with the last couple lots, but the stuff looked absolutely awful. Some of their gear is ok (the leather works I still like), and their helmets are ok.

I'm not really going to go into recommending one solid vendor, because everyone has their own strengths. However, ATFs strengths are not the cloth stuff. They used to be, and I love the business and supported it when I was in reenacting (through US and some German whenever possible), but some of their stuff has gone downhill pretty bad.

Unfortunately, for some things I've yet to find a GREAT pattern repop. The OLD ATF jump smock in Splittertarn was absolutely perfect once you replaced buttons and the adler with the grey-green eagle....but the new stuff is pretty horrid.

Now the choice comes to how serious you want to get. 95% of reenactors/airsofters won't know or care about the cut of the jacket, the colorings, the buttons, etc. If you want to get serious...then ATF isn't the way to go. There are better alternatives (1944 has good cloth stuff last I saw...and obviously LB does great most of the time...and the ultimate alternative is Janke, but you pay dearly for that. Had mine not been a sale, I'd never have done it..but am glad I did).

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying "If you use ATF, you will be laughed off the field", because anymore there are so many quality variations that the build seems to get overlooked. I'm simply saying if you really want to make sure that you've got a top notch uniform, you may want to look elsewhere for the fabric stuff unless things have changed in the last year.

If you are interested, one alternative I would recommend is to look for uniforms made by a German gentleman who owns a business called "Die Kleiderkammer". I do NOT recommend buying from him, as I had a hard time getting my order, but when I received the smock, it was gorgeous and cost me $185. There are resellers though, so you could still get the same thing elsewhere.

I guess the true thing comes down to "definition of what is crap". I wanted to get the most accurate that I could because it made sense to make a correct purchase once rather than fixing something to be decent. Last I knew, the quality of ATF off enough that reenactors from German units were starting to shy more away. The sleeves were too long, the skirt of the blouse was too long, and the general shaping wasn't quite right. That being said, yes, there are worse alternatives. But it all just comes down to how serious you want to get, and how picky you are. (The endless debate regarding ALL attempts at realism in airsoft and reenacting...."How much is too much").
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