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Post by Erik » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:03 pm

FRIDAY NIGHT

Friday night check-in begins when the site opens for recruits, and runs until orientation at 2000.

When you arrive you will check in with the Cadre. Your gear will be inspected and you will be assigned your roster number.

Orientation from the Commandant is at 2000. Immediately following orientation is the Safety Certification class. This class is optional...but it contains material you will be tested on later.

Every recruit is expected to be on-site in time for orientation. If for some reason you miss orientation, it's on you to find out what you need to do. Your Recruit Squad Leader can help with that. No uniforms are required for Friday night.

GEAR
During the course of BATC, you will have to pass a series of qualifications and tests. The first thing expected of you is to be properly equipped. Upon arrival a member of the Cadre will be checking your gear to make sure you have all the required items. If you don't have it, you may have time to get it...but the bottom line is you will be sent home if you are not ready to train.

Make sure you double-check the required gear list and have everything.

There is not a lot of space in the bunkhouse, so we recommend you pack only what you need and store your gear in the locker/shower room. Keep your gear secured at all times.

LIVING CONDITIONS
The A-frame bunkhouse has 12 beds (six bunk beds). We also have extra mattresses so people can sleep on the floor if neccessary. By beds, we mean mattresses. Bring your own blankets, pillows, or sleeping bags.

The kitchen has a fridge, stove, oven, microwave, and pots & pans. You use it, you wash it. Easy-to-prepare meals are recommended. If you need bowls, plates, etc. I recommend bringing your own.

The kitchen will be available for use during breaks and mealtimes. Make sure you clean as you go. If we find the bunkhouse, kitchen, or other areas trashed, we're going to pause the training schedule until it's cleaned up. We have to clean the site before leaving on Sunday. Everyone will help with this.

WEATHER
Plan for cold, wet and muddy weather. Barring a typhoon or extreme cold (below zero) training will take place, rain or shine. The extended forecast calls for cold but sunny weather. Last year we were hit with a blizzard on Friday night, but the weather was pretty nice (all things considered) on Saturday and Sunday. Dress accordingly and have some kind of rain gear.

SCHEDULE
We've got a lot of training to do in a short period of time. You will be expected to be where you need to be, on time and with the correct equipment. Pay attention to what the Cadre and your Squad Leader/Team Leader tell you.

TRAINING STANDARDS

Instead of "Pass/Fail" we refer to test results as "Go/NoGo."
To be awarded the BATC badge, a recruit needs to score "Go" on all phases of the BATC program. This includes practical exercises, a final exam, and Cadre Review.

The BATC standard is 3 attempts for any exercise/test.
1st NoGo - Cadre reviews the trainee's answer/performance and explains why it is incorrect.

2nd NoGo - Cadre reviews the traininig subject with the trainee.

3rd NoGo - Cadre provides remedial instruction to the trainee.

4th NoGo- Trainee is given the opportunity to recycle and attend BATC at a later date.
Yes, some trainees have been recycled through BATC! (Many of them return to graduate successfully) It's important we maintain standards to ensure the integrity of the program. If we just gave out BATC badges to anyone who showed up, they wouldn't mean anything.

The Cadre are determined to help you perform to your best potential, and BATC is a challenging but rewarding program. Your skills will develop as the course progresses...and the classmates you work side-by-side with help you too.

BATC is a lot of fun, and it's also very intense. Because of the schedule, you won't see a lot of downtime and you'll be constantly on the move. At the end of the day, you'll get plenty of sleep - because you will need it. But on Sunday afternoon when you receive your badge, you will feel you've earned it.

ROSTER ASSIGNMENTS
My buddy and I signed up and you put us on different teams. Why can't we be on the same team?
In the past, when we had recruits from the same team or group sign up, we kept these "teams" together. Unfortunately, we found this interfered with the training program. Here's why:

BATC is designed to teach individual skills first. When players on the same "team" gravitate towards each other, we found that they weren't so much concentrating on individual skills as they were acting as an ad-hoc "team" within their assigned BATC team.

Another problem we encountered is that once these players start pairing up, they tend to focus on past tactics they have used together, rather than what we're trying to teach them at BATC.

What we're looking for is to start out everyone on the same footing, as an individual player. As the weekend moves along, these individual BATC recruits build integrity within their teams and learn valuable lessons about teamwork.

We also want to prepare recruits for a typical Airsoft experience - at large scale scenario games, you will often find yourself paired up with players you don't know, and have never played with.

So be aware, you probably won't be teamed up with your longtime Airsoft buddy - but don't let that discourage you. The friendships formed during BATC cycles are just another great part of BATC.

Any other questions? Post them here for answers.
Can I use tracers for the night game?
Use of tracers during the night game is not only allowed, it's encouraged.
Will we have close access to our cars? Can't we store stuff in our car?
Yes, that's no problem. There is a parking lot next the the A-Frame.
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Post by axraupp » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:37 pm

Do you have an itinerary/syllabus?

Also, what time should we expect to finish on Sunday?

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Post by LTC Lipinski » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:16 pm

I was wondering if anyone would have 0.2 BBs for sale?
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Post by THE ARCHANGEL » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:33 pm

Also, what time should we expect to finish on Sunday?
Expect to be done by 1600. That is set for "Graduation and Dismissal" but it all still depends on whether or not we're done securing the site.
I was wondering if anyone would have 0.2 BBs for sale?
Don't plan on it. Secure your gear and stock up BEFORE you attend BATC.
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Post by LTC Lipinski » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:45 pm

Sounds good.

EDIT: I MAY not be able to get a Dump Pouch in time due to being short on money lately.. So if it is possible for anyone to bring an extra DP that would be great. And if it's in OD I would be willing to buy it.
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Post by Erik » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:21 pm

axraupp wrote:Do you have an itinerary/syllabus?

Also, what time should we expect to finish on Sunday?

-Alex
This is subject to change.

Day 0: Friday
1400 Site opens for Cadre
1600 Site open for Recruit Check-In
2000-2030 Rollcall, Orientation, Safety, Roster Assignments
2030-2130 Remedial SCC
2130-2200 Personal Time
2200 Lights Out

Day 1: Saturday
0630-0730 Wakeup & Breakfast

0730-0900 AEG Skills
-Shooting Positions
-Tactical Reloading
-AEG Course of Fire
-Immediate Action Drills
-Rolling Thunder

0900-1000 Communications
-Using a Radio
-Reporting enemy activity
-Hand/Arm Signals
-Practical Exercise

1000-1200 Individual Tactical Training
-Camouflage, Cover & Concealment
-Tactical Movement
-Live Fire Combat Lanes

1200-1230 Lunch

1230-1830 Team & Squad Patrol, Assault, and Defense
-Team & Squad Movement
-Actions on Contact
-Area Defense
-Assault
-Live Fire Patrolling Exercise ("The Long Walk")

1830-1900 Dinner
1900-Dusk Night Ops Prep and Cadre Review
Dusk-EndEx: Live FireNight Ops Exercise

Day 2: Sunday
0630-0730 Wakeup & Breakfast
0730-0900 Tactical Review
0900-1200 Evaluated Live-Fire Squad Combat Exercise
1200-1300 Lunch
1300-1400 Skill Testing & Cadre Review
1400-1600 Site Recovery
1600 Graduation & Dismissal
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Post by axraupp » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:59 pm

Being a Baptist facility, can I assume there will be no beer allowed?

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Post by Tank » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:24 pm

Correct! It is a 'dry' facility.
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Post by Grif » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:59 pm

will we be required to attend any service on sunday, some of us are not religous, this is more out of curiousity then worry. Also is a G3 acceptible for use
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Post by Blackcat » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:01 pm

Grif wrote:will we be required to attend any service on sunday, some of us are not religous, this is more out of curiousity then worry. Also is a G3 acceptible for use
No, there is no service.

If your G3 is an AEG, yes.
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Post by LTC Lipinski » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:48 pm

What brand is this G3 you speak of?
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Post by Erik » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:00 am

Tank wrote:Correct! It is a 'dry' facility.
Thanks for bringing that up...I keep forgetting to mention that.
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Post by Grif » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:18 pm

its brand new comes tomarrow i found it on pointact.com
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Post by Tank » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:11 am

LTC Lipinski wrote:What brand is this G3 you speak of?
Grif wrote:its brand new comes tomarrow i found it on pointact.com
Guy, this thread is for BATC related questions/answers. NOT for discussing where/what/when you purchased something. There are other sections for that.
Keep it on topic please.
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Post by skunksquatch » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:19 am

I will be making some deliveries of stuff to people at BATC on Friday night and will have BBs with me so if you need BBs, you can get them from me at that time.

I also can have other stuff, like mags, if you let me know what you need.
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Post by Junshi » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:45 pm

Thanks Skunk - if you have any can you please bring Tracer BB's

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Post by Shady-Cadence » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:00 pm

Tank wrote:
LTC Lipinski wrote:What brand is this G3 you speak of?
Grif wrote:its brand new comes tomarrow i found it on pointact.com
Guy, this thread is for BATC related questions/answers. NOT for discussing where/what/when you purchased something. There are other sections for that.
Keep it on topic please.
I believe he was checking to make sure it wasn't a cheapie.(no LPEG's, MPEG's) Forgive the terminology.
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Post by LTC Lipinski » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:57 pm

In fact I was. I hope to god it's not a Lorcin. I just broke on of those in half with my AEG.
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Post by Erik » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:25 am

I've said it before and I will say it again...it is the recruit's responsibility to bring a good-quality AEG to BATC.

If you choose to purchase a cheap gun and it goes down during the course, it's on you to fix it or source a replacement...and if you can't fix or replace it, well, you can't finish the course without a gun.

We have always done our best to help out players with gun problems, but ultimately it's your responsibility.

I want players to come to BATC...but if they come unprepared or not properly equipped I won't hesitate to send them home.
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Post by MajWinters636 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:09 pm

i dont know if this is the right place to ask this but...

say i want to bring my camera for pictures and video. will there be an extra ref or someone who would like to take pics for me and stuff like that? or should i plan on taking my own pictures?
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Post by Erik » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:17 pm

MajWinters636 wrote:i dont know if this is the right place to ask this but...

say i want to bring my camera for pictures and video. will there be an extra ref or someone who would like to take pics for me and stuff like that? or should i plan on taking my own pictures?
Your first priority is of course to participate as a recruit...but if you want to take pictures that's fine. Whether or not someone could take pics for you would depend on what's going on.
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Post by MajWinters636 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:59 pm

no i wouldnt take pictures instead of participating. just wondering if there were refs or someone to take pics while i was playing. either way im bringing my camera...
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Post by Junshi » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:26 pm

just wondering if there were refs or someone to take pics while i was playing.
Unlikely, there are no "ref's", only Cadre members and OpFor - it's a very busy weekend for us, we have tried to take pictures for about 3 rotations now and have failed due to everyone being busy.

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Post by MajWinters636 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:27 pm

ok cool. either way im bringing my camera and i hope i can get some good pictures
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Post by THE ARCHANGEL » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:54 pm

someone to take pics while i was playing.
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Just to make it clear....and I don't mean to come off like a hardass here....there won't be a ton of time for you to take pics during the training. During down time, you are welcome to do whatever you want....but you will not be "playing"....this is training. Think boot camp. There are no refs, no one just standing around, the Cadre are instructing, the OPFOR will be setting up various things and obviously being role players...and the recruits....are their to learn. It's hard work and nothing like a game or Open Session.

If I see a recruit taking pics....and either not paying attention, distracting the recruits, or over all delaying the schedule....I will rip you a new one.

This is NOT a game. This is Airsoft School. Some will pass....and some will work their asses off for two days and still fail. We have a standard....and those that don't meet it....wash out.

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Post by MajWinters636 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:48 pm

Ok this all came out very wrong. I know this is serious and I will be 100% serious. I live and breathe airsoft and I would never waste my time trying to take pics over learning at a BATC. Please don?t think of me as another newbie who doesn?t really care. I am dedicated to this sport and I would never want to offend anyone who puts their time, money, and commitments into this training course.

I?m sorry if I offended anyone. I respect what you guys are doing for us and I will be the last one to take this course like I am just "playing"
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Post by Shady-Cadence » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:34 pm

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Post by BlackRhino » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:41 pm

I snore... loudly... Epicly so I am told.

Bring ear plugs

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Post by Faust » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:00 pm

BlackRhino wrote:I snore... loudly... Epicly so I am told.

Bring ear plugs
I almost forgot! I got a good start on packing tonight, and I forgot ear plugs. Thanks Rhino.

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Post by beanz27 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:47 pm

How much is this?
Is it Harley time yet?

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Post by Faust » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:54 pm

It was $40 last cycle.

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Post by beanz27 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:59 pm

thanks

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