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Post by Guges Mk3 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:43 pm

Metal does not mean it will solve any cylinder head problems.

Honestly, cylinder heads are not as big of an issue as you believe they are.

The tweeks you seek are expensive when you add it all up and for very little performance improvement.
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Post by Magkill » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:55 am

I'm not spending that much on new parts some I already have from my old broken guns. All I really did was replace the polycarbonate parts like the piston tappet plate air nozzle and hop up unit,that's all. The only expensive part is the tienly motor but that motor was greatly need cause the stock one couldn't pull the piston back.
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Post by Magkill » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:34 pm

How good are ics gears form their m4s? Are they well made?
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Post by Jonnyboyman » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:18 pm

If you want durable standard ratio gears... JG or XYT are the way to go (and cheap too!)

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Post by Tank » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:39 pm

Magkill wrote:How good are ics gears form their m4s? Are they well made?
They are crap!!
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Post by Magkill » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:55 am

Ya I already have them I just wanted to know how good they are long term I only used the gun that they were in fir a short time before the gun broke.
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Post by Magkill » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:32 pm

How much is a used ics m4 upper and lower gear box with only 5000 shots gone through it? I want to know also I didn't know where else to ask this question is this a good place for it?
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:15 pm

Depends...about 100.00 for the right buyer.
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Post by Magkill » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:27 am

Ok so about $100. what about with an ics pistol grip ics metal buffer tube and but stock and a plastic lower receiver. All ics parts.
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Post by neoM4tech » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:56 pm

Its worth less than 100 when it a bunch of parts and missing screws and a few springs. The lower plastic receiver having 4 coats of paint doesn't help either.

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Post by Magkill » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:03 am

neoM4tech wrote:Its worth less than 100 when it a bunch of parts and missing screws and a few springs. The lower plastic receiver having 4 coats of paint doesn't help either.
Parts are missing but they are easy to replace and I can easily find them. And hey you thought the gun was full metal at first and not only that but it keeps it from wobling.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:51 am

Sadly...resale value of Airsoft equipment is not good at all.
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Post by neoM4tech » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:13 pm

I'll get it working eventually, when funds allow. Until then it will sit in a box as i finish my other projects first.

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Post by Magkill » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:37 pm

So last Sunday I took my guns out to paint ball pro. Both worked for the first half of the game/ event but both stopped cause of the same problem, they both ran out of power really fast. Could it be the smart charger? I only charged the batteries until the light lit green. Also could it be the motor one has a high torque motor does it require more power? Or could it be the cold?
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:11 am

Cold.

NIMH do not like the cold. NIZN has no issues as well as LIPO.
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Post by Magkill » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:48 am

Really so my gun isn't the problem? Yaaaaaaaaa I was so worried that I over charged the batteries or something. That explained when justjoey gave me a battery to use it stopped working also.
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Post by Magkill » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:45 am

So I was going to get a lipo and then I realized what's the point. They melt, ruin your contacts, and require a lot of money to use like the charger and MOSFET. Please tell me if that is all correct. So in the end I just got a tenergy 9.6v 5000 mah battery that looks like it can perfectly fit in my crane stock cause it has the same size cells and wiring as the ones I already have but with more cells. My question is how many shots will I get out of the battery with a tienly motor stock Vfc gears matrix piston with steel teeth and Shs air nozzle, if any of those things affect the power it takes to fire the gun then please tell me and if you can how many shots.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:12 pm

Magkill wrote:So I was going to get a lipo and then I realized what's the point. They melt, ruin your contacts, and require a lot of money to use like the charger and MOSFET. Please tell me if that is all correct.
Wrong and right:

Wrong as a 2S lipo will not affect your AEG in anyway that you worry about.

Right as in a 3S lipo will.

Chargers are rather cheap at about 30.00, plus these units can also charge NIMH, NICD, LIPO, LiFEPO4 and some NIZN batteries too.

Mosfets run about 20.00 starting. You would need a MOSFET with ANY 10V plus battery not just LIPO's.
Magkill wrote:So in the end I just got a tenergy 9.6v 5000 mah battery that looks like it can perfectly fit in my crane stock cause it has the same size cells and wiring as the ones I already have but with more cells. My question is how many shots will I get out of the battery with a tienly motor stock Vfc gears matrix piston with steel teeth and Shs air nozzle, if any of those things affect the power it takes to fire the gun then please tell me and if you can how many shots.
This question can only be estimated due to the factors of motor model and spring is missing from your operating parameters. The other items:

Piston, gears, air nozzle have no effect on electrical consumption other that potential resistance in a badly assembled mechbox.

When its 40 degrees out...you may get 500 weak shots.
When its 90 degrees out you may get 10000 shots

Also...you bought a meh cell. Tenergy/Powerizers are overpriced for their performance levels. You could have had better for less.
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Re: One question, one answer (tech questions only)

Post by Magkill » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:54 pm

The spring is a basic one, it makes the gun shoot 370 fps so maybe a m120 or 30 tcaa installed it.
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:04 pm

Guges Mk3 wrote: Piston, gears, air nozzle have no effect on electrical consumption other that potential resistance in a badly assembled mechbox.
Gears do.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:35 pm

In theory so can the piston if its to fat for the mechbox too...
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Post by Magkill » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:28 pm

Ya so the battery wasn't the right size. What battery will fit In My gun that has a high amount of mah? My gun can only fit a 9.6v battery with 1600 mah when the cells are put in the sides of the crane stock not the buffer tube. What should I do? My budget is $50 and I can only get one battery cause I only have one dean connector.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:40 pm

Mah should not be your determining factor. It should be discharge.

You could wire two 2S 1200mah in parallel for 2400mah of power.
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Post by Magkill » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:09 pm

How would I modify this battery so I could fit in my guns buttstock? http://www.evike.com/evike-superstore/
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:18 pm

Your link is not to what you think it is.
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Post by Magkill » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:42 pm

Sorry here is the correct link. http://www.evike.com/products/24476/
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:45 pm

And the second part...which stock do you have?

What about this battery piques your interest in it?
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Post by Magkill » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:48 pm

I have the standard Vfc crane stock.

I really like this battery cause it has high mah for a lower price, that and I put deans in my gun and I don't want to buy any more and this batter comes with them built In.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:54 pm

And why do you think this High Mah pack will be any good? Trying to discern you wanting this battery for the right reasons.
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Post by Magkill » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:09 pm

Do you have any experience with this battery? I think this battery is good because it stores more power for a longer amount of time. Will it have a low discharge rate? Should I just get the basic 1600 mah? Why do you think it's bad?
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:22 pm

Because, I know about it.

Your buying batteries for the wrong reason. Just because it has high mAH does not mean it's good.

Intellect 4/5A 2300mah Cell - IR is ~17mOhm

17mOhm is pretty bad! Good NIMh are in the range of 6 or less.

With the above factor, this cell is nearly 20% restricted under a heavy load.

In simple words this 8 cell pack may perform like a 7 cell pack under a heavy load. It also means you won't get 2300mah power of shots. You may get only ~1900mah of use able shots.
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:48 pm

You should just make the switch to the big bad lipo batteries. Waaaay better cell technology. Charge/discharge them properly and you will get plenty of life out of them.

This battery will out perform the one you linked and won't harm your gun. Guges usually has them on hand.

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Post by Magkill » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:43 am

what charger should i get if i get that battery?
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:02 am

Hota/B6 Class Charger...charges everything and is cheaper than the crappy chargers sold at Fleece-Vike.

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Post by Magkill » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:20 am

Will the battery fit in a crane stock? The Vfc crane stock?

If I get the charger would I need to get wires for it? How much is the shipping?

Has any one had experience with this battery? I really want it but I'm afraid that it won't fit.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:26 pm

Magkill wrote:Will the battery fit in a crane stock? The Vfc crane stock?

If I get the charger would I need to get wires for it? How much is the shipping?

Has any one had experience with this battery? I really want it but I'm afraid that it won't fit.
1. Depends on the Crane Stock. Measure the ID and compare it to the width of the battery, which is listed on Hobbyking.

2. Depends on the one you bought and where you bought it from.''

3. These packs have been available for over 3 years. many people are using them I am using one variant of them in parallel for 4A of power on tap!
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:27 pm

I use the same battery as well as this 11.1v 2000 mah battery in my dboys crane stock. They fit just fine. Also look into a voltage monitor when running lipo batteries. You can buy a cheap one and periodically check your battery through out the day. Or you can buy a higher quality monitor that remains plugged into your balancing plug as you play and alarms you when your battery approaches critical voltage (3.2v/cell). If you discharge these batteries below that voltage, you may risk damaging the cell. The same goes for charging. A full charge is complete when the battery voltage reaches 4.2v/cell. This may sound intimidating at first, but it's actually pretty basic stuff.
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Post by Magkill » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:03 pm

This is the only battery that will fit in my gun. I've made a wooden model of this exact battery and it fits.Does it have a bad discharge rate? What makes it good and what makes it bad? Also the crane stock has a really limited amount of space so I can't put in a battery that size like isparkthela did with his gun.

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Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:15 am

The battery I'm getting has 50c is that fast or slow? Idk why but it says that it c is discharge rate.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:48 am

C is a variable in Discharge rate. It is a variable that is part of a larger equation.

Discharge in AMPS = mah * C

This is why a 1000mah 50C (RC) pack can out discharge say a 4300mah 1C (laptop) pack

5A vs 4.3A

Also 50 is burst mode. 25C is continuous.

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http://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/te ... es-part-1/

And read this dated, but albeit containing useful faq on our site, wow written in 2002:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8763

Which has the first article cut and pasted into it as a modern update.
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Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:00 am

I don't get It too well. So would the higher c means a higher rate of fire? And would it not last long cause the battery has only 1200 mah? So how many shots would I get out of it if it's 25-50c with 1200 mah and it being a 7.4v lipo? And will I need a MOSFET cause it has high C?
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:37 am

Guges Mk3 wrote: Also 50 is burst mode. 25C is continuous.
30 amps continuous (sustained). (mah * C) / 1000. ------> (1200*25) / 1000= 30 amps continuous.

Magkill, the C rating does not dictate your rate of fire...per say. Voltage will. Your gun is only going to take what it needs. With heavily upgraded guns, you don't want to buy a 15C battery because, the gun may demand more then the battery can provide. But with a stock gun, that battery will be fine. I always try to buy the highest C rated battery that can fit where I plan to store it. With a 7.4v battery, you don't "need" a mosfet.

Do some Google searching. Many of these questions can be answered relatively easy with a basic search.
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Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:49 am

Ok so I'll list what I have. I have a 7.4 v 1200 mah battery with 25c to 50c. The motor I'm using is a tienly gt3500 the one that is more widely sold. Will this battery pull the motor pulling a stock m120 spring? How many shots will I get out of this battery using this motor and spring and stock gear ratio? How do I connect a voltage warning to a lipo?
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:09 pm

Battery does not pull or push. Motor draws.

It should draw fine on a M120.

How many shots...unknown. Other factors will affect efficiency and those factors are unknown. Mechbox assembly quality, wiring...temperature...etc. You should get about 1500 before the low voltage sensor starts complaining.

This lipo alarm goes on your management cable on the battery pack.

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Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:40 pm

Guges Mk3 wrote:
This lipo alarm goes on your management cable on the battery pack.

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Is that the connector that you hook the charger up too? Also do the IMAX chargers come with the connectors to charge lipos?
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:23 pm

The alarm is connected to the balancing plug on your LiPo battery.
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Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:33 pm

Off topic I know but how many days does it take to get an item from hobby king to minnesota?
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Re: One question, one answer (tech questions only)

Post by Magkill » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:45 pm

Ya how long will it take. $12 shipping is what I got airmail.
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Re: One question, one answer (tech questions only)

Post by Guges Mk3 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:13 pm

You could have bought from the Hobbyking US warehouse.
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