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EYE PROTECTION

Post by Erik » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:26 pm

Clarifying some questions about eye protection:

1. Military issue "Sun, Wind, and Dust" goggles, in any form, are NOT allowed. This is mentioned elsewhere, but they have shown up again. This is what SWD goggles look like, so you can avoid them:

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2. All goggles MUST have a head strap. "Croakie" type retaining bands are not sufficient.

3. All goggles MUST meet ANSI z.87.1 requirements. If you cannot prove your goggles are ANSI z.87.1 rated, then they will NOT be allowed. Manufacturer's paperwork is sufficient to prove this.

4. The Safety Officer or lead Game Operator has the FINAL WORD on whether goggles will be allowed or not.

For additional detailed information about eye protection, see the "Rules for MAA Games" thread.
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Post by Pfc_Kocher » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:04 pm

on airsoftretreat alot of people use the 'Flak Jak' goggles http://www.goggleoverstock.com/index.html, Are these allowed?

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Post by Erik » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:59 pm

Flakjacks are allowed.
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Post by BENJIv1 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:09 pm

probably dumb question but these would be sufficient right?
it says on the site that it exceeds the standards but i just want a final verdict just to be safe.
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Post by Mr.MG42 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:16 pm

BENJIv1 wrote:probably dumb question but these would be sufficient right?
it says on the site that it exceeds the standards but i just want a final verdict just to be safe.
http://www.airsplat.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic ... SK&eq=&Tp=
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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by collin » Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:13 pm

I went through the paper work for my goggles in order to find out if they were OK to use. I was unable to find the info though. This could be that I skipped over but I dont know. I asked you (Erik) last year and you said they were OK to use. Do I still have to bring paper work to show that they are valid?
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Post by Trippy » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:42 am

Eric, as Safety Officer, has the final say; however, if you tell us what kind of goggles they are, most members can probably tell you if they're OK.
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Post by collin » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:27 pm

Alright they are Proto Swtch EL Goggles.

Edit: Well it seems like I cant get a URL to say Link instead of its full name :( . Oh well.
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Post by Tank » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:09 pm

Those are definitely OK.
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Post by McLovin » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:02 pm

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/P_Force ... pf-gog.htm

im new to airsoft,i use these with my friends but then again their not the MAA so i wanna make sure there ok..

they deflect 95% UVB and 60% UVA protection w/ smoked lens
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TEAM ANARCHY wrote:http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/P_Force ... pf-gog.htm

im new to airsoft,iuse these with my friendsbut then again their not the MAA so i wanna make sure there ok..

They can resist 500fps
they deflect 95% UVB and 60% UVA protection w/ smoked lens
Those are NOT ok for use at MAA games (and you shouldn't really use them anywhere else either). MAA requires full-seal goggles with a retention strap, rated at ANSI Z87.1 or better. Those glasses fail at least two of those requirements.

UVB/UVA protection doesn't mean jack if your eye isn't there anymore.

Do yourself a favor and get yourself some real goggles or a paintball mask. I really like ESS goggles, but anything that meets the above requirements will do.
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TEAM ANARCHY wrote:http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/P_Force ... pf-gog.htm

im new to airsoft,iuse these with my friendsbut then again their not the MAA so i wanna make sure there ok..

They can resist 500fps
they deflect 95% UVB and 60% UVA protection w/ smoked lens
They are not ANSI rated for impact, so you cannot use them.
They are not full-seal, so you cannot use them.
They do not have a head strap so you cannot use them.

UV deflection is also worthless for stopping a BB ...

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Post by McLovin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:14 pm

thanks bunny and viper well I decided to change the goggles I'm getting..
how will these do.
-they have straps
-they vent/ fog proof
? what do you think
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Post by THE ARCHANGEL » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:17 pm

TEAM ANARCHY wrote:thanks bunny and viper well I decided to change the goggles I'm getting..
how will these do.
-they have straps
-they vent/ fog proof
-500+fps proof
? what do you think
You didn't post a link.
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Post by THE ARCHANGEL » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:45 pm

TEAM ANARCHY wrote:sorry about that.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=24932
Those are Chinese clones of the Bolle T800. As they have no description to say so, I could not off the top of my head allow them. Do I think they would work? Sure, I have 3 pairs of Bolle's....but without seeing the certified paperwork that says "Standards Met: ANSI Z87" I cannot recommend you buy them. Also, reading the comments below it seems to indicate they are not ANSI rated.
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Post by Bunny » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:36 pm

TEAM ANARCHY wrote:thanks bunny and viper well I decided to change the goggles I'm getting..
how will these do.
-they have straps
-they vent/ fog proof
-500+fps proof
? what do you think
Where did you get "500+fps proof" ? I see no such statement on the link you provided.

Also, keep in mind that if something is said to be "rated" to a certain point, unless a certain Design Factor is used in those calculations, likely means that the rated point is the point at which the device will, on average, fail. This means if you have goggles that are "rated to 500 FPS" on average, about 50% of all those goggles will fail under an impact somewhere below 500 FPS. In an MAA game with 450 or 400 FPS weapons, that's a pretty slim margin for error, and not something I would wear to protect me eyes.

It's quite simple: if the goggle does not clearly state that it meets or exceeds ANSI Z.87.1 impact standards, do not buy them.

If you want to go cheap, most goggles designed for paintball use will meet all required standards. If you want to spend a little more money, I highly recommend getting a goggle made by ESS or Bolle.

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Post by McLovin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:46 pm

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/Diamond ... -ao700.htm

well heres the same goggles from a different website but i personaly wanted to buy these from airsoftpost.com because i wud get free shipping on them..
because im spending over $1030.00 on their website

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TEAM ANARCHY wrote:http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/Diamond ... -ao700.htm

well heres the same goggles from a different website but i personaly wanted to buy these from airsoftpost.com because i wud get free shipping on them..
because im spending over $1030.00 on their website
And no where on that page does it say they are ANSI rated. The lens usually has it printed on the side FYI.
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Post by Bunny » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:29 pm

OK, since I'd feel a little bad if you got your eye shot out I'll throw you a bone here.

Good basic mask and goggles: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=3136

Good high quality goggles: http://www.rangerjoes.com/ess-goggles-l ... -1876.html

Both of those meet all MAA standards for eye protection.

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Post by Daishido » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:05 pm

I had an idea of gettin this mask, then buying goggles that meet MAA ANSI Z.87.1 standards.... let me know if you think thats ok... here is link to the mask in question. http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=29787
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Post by Viper » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:47 pm

You're not going to be able to get a full seal by wearing goggles over that mask. You could wear the goggles under the mask, but I doubt you'll get a very good fit for the mask.

Regardless, personally, I think you'd look like a frakin' moron in that thing.
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Post by Daishido » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:15 pm

JudgeViper wrote:You're not going to be able to get a full seal by wearing goggles over that mask. You could wear the goggles under the mask, but I doubt you'll get a very good fit for the mask.

Regardless, personally, I think you'd look like a frakin' moron in that thing.

The frakin' moron part asside... If it works and is allowed, who cares what it looks like. Better than wearing a condom on your head... lol.
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Post by THE ARCHANGEL » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:26 pm

What you are proposing is not new. Several players did it two seasons ago. They wore approved goggles under their masks and that was the only allowed combination. You are welcome to wear whatever you want over approved goggles as long as it does not affect your ability to move safely.
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Post by Stealth_Recon » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:58 am

I have been looking for goggles that will fit with my prescription eyewear, but up to now have been unsuccessful. I just ran across these:

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=27057

But they do not say if they are ANSI certified. However, a google search of them indicates that a lot of airsoft players are using them anyway.

Anyone have experience with them and know if they are acceptable for MAA?
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Post by Viper » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:08 am

If I had to wager a guess, I'd say they probably aren't ANSI certified.

I know we've got plenty of people who wear goggles over glasses, so they can probably tell you which goggles might be worth trying. Bunny wears ESS Land Ops goggles over his prescription eye-wear with no problems, so you might want to check those out.
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Post by Bunny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:52 am

JudgeViper wrote:Bunny wears ESS Land Ops goggles over his prescription eye-wear with no problems, so you might want to check those out.
Correct. The ESS Land Ops goggles fit quite well over glasses, even with thermal lenses. All ESS goggles also meet or exceed all ANSI Z.87.1+ standards, and are quality goggles as well.

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Post by Stealth_Recon » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:02 am

Viper and Bunny:

Thanks for the quick replies and thanks for the information. I will check the ESS goggles out.
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Post by Fatal » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:25 pm

I have some land ops that I used in Iraq if you want to buy them, $20.
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Post by Downtown » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:17 pm

I thought you were selling those to me :)
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Post by thatguyonline » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:36 pm

I have some paint ball goggles ($50 at wally world). I did not keep the box/papers. If i come to a MAA game do i need all of that stuff.
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Post by Bunny » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:13 pm

thatguyonline wrote:I have some paint ball goggles ($50 at wally world). I did not keep the box/papers. If i come to a MAA game do i need all of that stuff.
Most paintball goggles are fine. Do you know what brand they are?

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Post by thatguyonline » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:23 pm

It is a JT. http://www.jtusa.com/?masks It has that symbol on the side... so i am pretty sure :)
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Post by Bunny » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:15 pm

JT makes good masks, if it's a JT paintball mask then it's almost certainly fine for MAA games.

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Post by thatguyonline » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:24 pm

Ok, thanks for the info bunny! I was worried that I need the paperwork... :D
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Post by Stealth_Recon » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:56 pm

Fatal wrote:I have some land ops that I used in Iraq if you want to buy them, $20.
So if I want to buy them do I have to arm wrestle Downtown for them?
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Post by Fatal » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:20 am

I sold him some profile NVG's first one with money in hand gets the land ops.
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Post by Stealth_Recon » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:36 pm

Sorry, Fatal, but my wife knowing I wanted ESS Land Ops decided to check out Ebay (she really likes Ebay) and bought a pair for me yesterday.
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Post by Fatal » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:55 pm

Let your wife know you want a new airsoft field.
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Post by Stealth_Recon » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:09 pm

Fatal wrote:Let your wife know you want a new airsoft field.
She DOES have her limits - but I am always testing them. :mrgreen:
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Post by Shady-Cadence » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:16 am

So here's a question: Does the eye protection need to be endorsed by the manufacturer for this activity?

I have recently picked up a new set of goggles. Z87.1 certified, full seal with a retention strap. BUT, in the warnings and guidelines for this industrial safety equipment, I find the following:

"Do not use this product for paintball or simulated war activities."

Again, this is industrial safety equipment, designed to protect you from, among other things, flying bits of metal. Yet they don't cut it for plastic? Or is this just their lawyers covering their asses?
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Post by Bunny » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:54 am

Shady-Cadence wrote:So here's a question: Does the eye protection need to be endorsed by the manufacturer for this activity?

I have recently picked up a new set of goggles. Z87.1 certified, full seal with a retention strap. BUT, in the warnings and guidelines for this industrial safety equipment, I find the following:

"Do not use this product for paintball or simulated war activities."
Does it specifically state that it is ANSI Z-87.1 rated, or Z-87.1+ rated? If you're not sure, check the proofing on the lens itself, there should be a manufacturer's logo stamped somewhere on the lens itself as a proof that it meets ANSI Z-87.1 standards, if it meets Z-87.1+ there will be a + after the logo.

To meet the ANSI Z-87.1-2003 Basic Impact standard, a lens and frame must resist a 1" steel ball dropped from 50" without fracturing. To meet the ANSI Z-87.1+ High Impact standard, the lens must survive a 1/4" steel ball fired at it at 150 FPS without fracturing and no piece detaching from the inner surface of the lens. If the lens is not High Impact rated, they may feel (and I would tend to agree) that it may not offer adequate protection against something being fired at it.

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Post by Shady-Cadence » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:45 pm

It says Z87+. Not Z87.1+. (?)
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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by Trippy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:40 pm

The book that came with my ESS NVGs explicitly says that that are not suitable for airsoft without an approved mask. Maybe you're in a similar situation?
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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by Erik » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:46 pm

Those should be okay, if they meet the ANSI standard.

I am guessing that the manufacturer put that warning on for liability reasons. Lots of us use eye protection which is not specifically designed for Airsoft.
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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by Bunny » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:29 pm

Shady-Cadence wrote:It says Z87+. Not Z87.1+. (?)
Not a problem; the .1 is just referencing the sub-section of the Z-87 standard in which the testing criteria is specifically laid out.

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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by Tank » Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:51 pm

Trippy wrote:The book that came with my ESS NVGs explicitly says that that are not suitable for airsoft without an approved mask. Maybe you're in a similar situation?

It says that because ESS is concerned that a direct hit to the bridge of the nose MIGHT allow a BB to get under the seal around the nose.
They now have an airsoft specific line that has a plastic nose guard.
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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by RobAirsoft121 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:01 am

Would this mask meet ANSI standards and be accepted in a game?
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/ ... =352987715

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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by bikemancs » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:46 am

RobAirsoft121 wrote:Would this mask meet ANSI standards and be accepted in a game?
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/ ... =352987715
Yes.

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Re: EYE PROTECTION

Post by Daytonairsofter » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:38 am

So if the goggles description says ASTM approved, i can use them, this whole mask choosing is quite confusing :)

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