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P* Questions

Post by Rabid-Weasel » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:33 pm

Well I am giong to take the chance on P* and wanted some advice.

This is what I was thinking anything else I need or something that may work better for a beginner.

1. a V2 or V3 P* engine. I have not totally decieded yet.

2. Air tank
http://www.airsoftjunkiez.com/ninja-90c ... -hpa-tank/

3. Regulator/Line. Do people have a preference between the coiled and the straight?
http://www.airsoftjunkiez.com/redline-f ... rced-line/
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http://www.airsoftjunkiez.com/redline-f ... on-tubing/
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Re: P* Questions

Post by Archer » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:04 pm

That would work for an air tank, but you need to find one that is an SLP (Super Low Pressure) output tank. that one isn't.

http://www.redlineairsoft.com/index.php ... -air-tanks

If you order the regulator from redline directly, you get your choice on hose color as well.

http://www.redlineairsoft.com/index.php ... air-system

plus looks like they have either bought the regulator bare or they tore the hose apart to cut it down on the site you had posted.

beyond that, its mostly a matter of figuring out where you are gonna get your tank filled. I know TCA has an HPA compressor system on field, otherwise you have to look for a paintball shop to fill the tank. If you can get your hands on a scuba bottle, Ninja sells a Scuba fill adaptor that you can use to fill a tank to 3000 psi.
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Re: P* Questions

Post by andre » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:51 pm

Weasel,
What gun are you putting the P* in?
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Re: P* Questions

Post by Rekkon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:49 pm

A lot of sporting goods places can fill HPA. I typically use Scheels.
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Post by thetaco » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:48 pm

Or give me a call Jim. If I can get a look at it, I may be able to fill your bottles at our fire station, using the same equipment that we use to fill our SCBA bottles.
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Re: P* Questions

Post by Tank » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:56 pm

I have both a V2 and a V3 and two different regulator set ups.

Here's what I'd recommend...
Get a Ninja LPA or SLP tank (4500 PSI) in the largest volume you feel like you'd want to cart around (I use a 68ci).
Red Line Firebase regulator with the flex hose http://www.redlineairsoft.com/index.php ... air-system (same one Archer posted).
That line is MUCH nicer than the line that A.J. lists.

As for which version...That depends entirely on what you want to put it into.
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Re: P* Questions

Post by Asian Thunder » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:29 pm

Personally I have only used a P* once and it had a coiled line. IMO it works terrific because it sits at the right spot for normal shouldering and can stretch when you need it to and not have a ton of slack around.

As for a air tank and regulator, the firebase is the best available. I believe it can take HPA tanks as well as SLP but don't quote me on it.

Also I don't quite know the real difference in performance from the HPA to SLP air tanks.
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Post by Archer » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:51 am

SLP is an output level of HPA tanks, its not a different thing.

On High Pressure Air Tanks, which are typically either 3000 or 4500 PSI storage pressure, you get a regulator that is part of the bottle itself (called a "bonnet" regulator), which is what the main adjustable regulator screws on to.

Ninja actually makes 6 different bonnet regulators for their bottles:
Standard adjustable (500, 650, 800 psi outputs)
Ultralite adjustable (same as standard, just lighter)
Pro Adjustable (450, 550, 700, 800 psi outputs)
Pro Super Low Pressure (300 psi output)
Pro Super High Pressure (1100 psi output)
Custom Pressures (250-3000 psi output)

in a SLP bottle, your tank stores 3000/4500 psi, the SLP regulator knocks your output down to 300psi for the firebase, which knocks it down to your operating pressure.

For a polarstar an HPA tank with an SLP or PRO SLP bonnet regulator is what you want.
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Post by Tank » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:27 pm

The firebase CAN take HPA but you're better off running LPA or SLP as it makes it easier to regulate down to the input pressure to the gun.
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Post by Guges Mk3 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:28 pm

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Post by Downtown » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:03 am

I carry Ninja Tanks and Can get them in. About a week is needed for shipping and lead times. But I just placed an order for 3. I only use SLP bottles and a cheaper regulator with the redline hose.

I have the 68ci bottles for use on fields that have fills available. 90ci bottles for fields with limited stations. The 90ci bottles have lasted me all day with heavy shooting. I use a red nozzle and lower my output pressure from 120psi to about 60-80psi. Thus saving on air and I DO NOT sacrifice performance!

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Post by Rabid-Weasel » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:48 pm

Thx DT, I will keep that in mind.


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Re: P* Questions

Post by pxiong » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:46 am

So....with everyone posting their projects and pictures. I'm getting closer and closer to whipping out the credit card and start a P* system too. With that said, there is one major question(s) I have:

Where can one (in the metro area) fill an HPA tank at? General cost?
(appreciate it if the responses could be definite answers such as you've filled or have a buddy that filled it there)

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Post by Downtown » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:15 pm

This should be asked in the P* area. But I cannot move this.

Any Paintball Shop can fill HPA. Cost is about $5
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:46 am

pxiong wrote:So....with everyone posting their projects and pictures. I'm getting closer and closer to whipping out the credit card and start a P* system too.
Personally, I would wait to see what this system is like. It's claimed to be twice as efficient as a P* and since you can use standard V2/V3 gearbox shells, I am guessing it will be priced below that of a Polar Star.
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Post by Archer » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:09 pm

I'm still very skeptical on the wolverine conversions... and their claims to double efficiency are just that claims. they haven't been substantiated by a reliable independent source and frankly I don't see where they would be squeezing that difference from. also, the quality looks to be far sub-standard compared to a polarstar fusion engine, IMO.
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:07 pm

The calculation for their shot data is posted in the description. I would think they could fact check their own numbers, but who knows...

Far sub standard? Because the cylinder is not housed in a CNC'd shell? The soldering on the trigger/FCU looks shotty, but the cylinders look comparable. I am not trying to defend them, I don't care much for any of these HPA systems. I was just posting an alternative... :D
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Post by Tank » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:59 pm

As I posted in the other thread about the wolverine...

I'm probably going to be getting a sample, in the near future. They only have 5 or 6 samples and they're all being sent to retailers for T&E, so I have to wait a bit for them to make a couple more. I know the goal MSRP, and production lead time, but I'm not allowed to disclose it other than to say it will be less than a P*, and should be on the market this summer.

I'm hoping to talk to their tech guy (who designed it), tomorrow to get some more info on the actual capabilities, etc.

I will certainly be posting more on it after I get my hands on one
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Post by Rabid-Weasel » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:16 pm

I'll be really interested in what you think Tank once you get your tester.


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Post by Tank » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:59 pm

I talked to the guy who designed it,and got a little more technical info...
Max input pressure - 120 PSI (solenoid is rated to 150 PSI, the clear line/fittings are rated to 125 PSI)
Min input pressure - Listed as 50 PSI but he said it will run up to 30 RPS as low as 40 PSI. (did not specify what velocity that produced)
Max ROF - Listed at 40 RPS, but will go up to 55 RPS with the right settings.
Min ROF - 5 RPS
Max velocity with 363mm barrel - Approx 475 w/.25g BBs
Voltage - 7.4 - 11.1 can use any battery type within the voltage range.
FCU Adjustments - 1 dial for ROF, 1 dial for nozzle dwell. (Everything else is handled by the FCU's code &/or the mechanical parts.)

The V2 will come standard with an M16/M4 nozzle, the V3 will come standard with AK nozzle. They are working on other nozzles, but aren't sure which ones to do first. MP5, SCAR, G36, are a few they are looking at doing.
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Post by Downtown » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:29 pm

Thanks for the update Tank
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:37 am

$390 for this....what a disappointment.
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Post by Tank » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:02 am

The $390 is the current estimated MSRP. Final numbers are yet to be set. There's some things in the works that could drop the unit price.
It probably won't get much less expensive, but even at $390 it's less than a P*.
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Post by IsparkTheLa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:34 am

That's what I am saying. The price is close enough to that of a P* where at this point, I would still opt for the FE.
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Post by Archer » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:23 am

For $390 AND you have to supply your own mechbox shell, on top of the system being less adjustable than a polarstar, I dont really see this as much of an improvment. I'll still get a polarstar any day over this. If I want better efficiency then ill spend $30 on a low flow poppet.
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Post by pxiong » Fri May 16, 2014 3:18 pm

Downtown wrote:This should be asked in the P* area. But I cannot move this.


Any Paintball Shop can fill HPA. Cost is about $5
Could you provide specific stores/shops? This is the main concern I have with P* as i play alot on my own land with buddies.
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Post by Rabid-Weasel » Fri May 16, 2014 9:22 pm

CC military surplus will fill to 4500 psi for $8. You can also get a scuba tank and use that to fill you bottle a few times. Scuba fills are about $5 each with a 10 fill card.


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Re: P* Questions

Post by Tank » Mon May 19, 2014 10:50 am

Splat Ball does fills too.
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